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Distance yourself from the flock

Thu Nov 6, 2008, 1:36 PM
  • Mood: Rant
Here's a story for you. My Dad came to this country from Soviet Russia when he was ten years old. He told me that his worst memory was when he had gotten a cavity in one of his molars since they had no fluoride in their water or toothpaste. Because it was so hard to get to a doctor, his mother took him to the apartment of some woman who supposedly worked for a dentist. She ripped his molar out with a pair of pliers and no novocaine. Thats the kind of health care we all have to look forward to.

Ask a Canadian about their health care. Ask them how you get put on huge waiting lists to see a doctor, because everyone is going to the doctor for every little thing thats bothering them since it doesn't cost them anything. So right now, people that need health care can't get it because they don't have insurance. How is having insurance and STILL not being able to get care any better? Not only are people that need it still not getting it, but people that need it and could have gotten it with their private insurance won't be able to either.

I am just really disgusted by everyone who voted for Obama. I guess I understand why you voted for him, who doesn't appeal with a young fresh face and a shiney campaign chock full of promises. Everyone tells me that they had good reasons for voting for him and did their research. How could that be? It's really sad when people fall for socialist propaganda and think their lives are really going to improve. And don't tell me that Obama's political views aren't socialist, they are. They're BLATANT if you actually paid attention.

In Obama's speech to the Democratic National Convention, he repeatedly talks about the "American Promise." Sounds a lot like the "American Dream" doesn't it? It's not. He says that not only are we responsible for ourselves (as per the American dream), but we are responsible for our fellow Americans. "We also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper." He says he will bring a government that stresses "individual responsibility and mutual responsibility." Every time he mentions something that coincides with more traditional American beliefs, he tacks on a big BUT. "The government can't solve all our problems, BUT what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves." Is that an ambiguous statement or what? That which we cannot do for ourselves? What can Americans not do for themselves?

Maybe people just can't understand what socialism means. They just hear all the promises of free health care and helping the poor and get all excited. Basically, you will be taxed according to the amount of money you make. The more money you make, the more taxes you have to pay. This money will go to all of the poor unfortunate people who have been exploited by capitalism. Ie: poor/lazy/stupid people who can't take responsibility for their own actions. (I don't care what anyone tells me, if someone is poor, it's their own fault.) So if you're actually going to college right now and working hard so you can better your life and get a decent job, you're going to have to pay. Socialism makes it so that if you did have a chance to be successful and make a lot of money, its going to be taken from you, to supposedly help other people be successful and make money. Because being rich while other people are poor is evil. It's all a ploy to keep everyone down.

Everyone is treating the situation like it's some sort of game. I've gotten comments that I'm a sore loser and a angry McCain FAN. It's NOT A GAME. You are toying with our way of life. I can't respect the fact that most of the reasons people voted for Obama are really superficial reasons. People enjoy feeling like they're part of a group. They like the campaigning and wearing the tee shirts and stickers and drawing cute chibi pictures of obama dancing. They like showing their support in a way that reminds me of how people act with football. My speech teacher was talking about how his views are very conservative, but he still voted for Obama because of what it means for him and other black people. I understand that he feels that black kids need a good role model, but voting for someone because they're black is just as bad as not voting for someone because they're black. Especially when you don't even agree with their policies!! I really like my speech teacher too, so this really dealt a blow to my respect for him.

Anyway, I just had to get all of that out of my system. Thats how I feel about the election. I just really wish that people would think for themselves and think about the consequences of their actions.

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:iconmegomobile:
While I don't necessarily agree with you based on personal opinion on some points, I respect your right to what you think and you do make a good argument. People are often uneducated in what they're voting for, or vote for the wrong reasons. And that is wrong.

I do, however, strongly oppose you saying that all poor people are at fault for being poor. That in itself, while an opinion, is just as ignorant sounding as people saying they're voting for someone because of something superficial. A lot of people abuse the system, it's true. But not ALL people who are poor are that way of their own doing, or have the means to fix the issue. Not every situation is the same, and it's just as blindly unfair to believe so as it is to hand out money to every person who cries for it.

When I was growing up, my family lived in relative poverty. We couldn't afford food, the water got shut off, the hydro got cut, couldn't afford new clothes. Why? Because my dad was crippled to the point where he couldn't stand, and couldn't work. We had a nurse come in every two days to administer medication. My mom couldn't leave home because she was raising me and tending to my ill father, and she babysat full time and did product testing and at home odd jobs to keep us (barely) afloat. The Canadian government offered us only the barest medical coverage at the time through OHIP, but not the coverage for the medication. We had no family to fall back on with my parents' families being long since dead or in other countries.

Enlighten me as to how that situation was the fault of anyone? How that automatically puts my mother into the same bracket as someone who is just too lazy to get a job? I think your instance that every person who lives in poverty has done it to themselves is foolish. Just like how not every person who claims to be poor actually is beyond their own help, not everyone who is in a situation where they're living with barely anything put themselves there.

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Murder of Crows.
:iconeskobeard:
Watching from the sidelines I can see why Obama was chosen over McCain. People are tired of 8 years of republican rule, in which they saw 2 wars, corrosion of civil liberties, a growing financial crisis, and growing hatred towards the American people on a global stage. The current president's approval rating is lower than any president's ever in America's 232 year history. The current republican administration has doubled the national debt. And hearing McCain say in his own words that he has voted with President Bush over 90 per cent of the time can't have sat well with the majority of Americans.
The reason for many people voting for the Democrats is exhaustion. They're tired of the Republicans. They're tired of rigged elections, wiretapping, denial of science. And somebody comes along saying "Change" repeatedly, it must have some effect on the tired American citizens. Not to mention that the person who was talking about "change" had way more money to campaign, and therefore had the loudest bullhorn with which to shout "change" at the American electorate.
The Republican campaign seemed gimmicky at best. Every time I turned on the news they were talking about "Joe the Plumber" this and "socialism" that as the 770 billion dollar bailout passed and the stock market continued it's downward spiral into the abyss.
I don't blame the majority of Americans for voting for Obama. Sure there are people who voted for him just because he is black, which I agree is hardly a reason for voting for a candidate, but I don't think that has much of an impact on his numbers at all. He won the election by promising "change." People genuinely want things to change. Now if Obama is going to actually create any positive change is anybody's guess. Politicians lie. That's their job.
The thing that I hate the most about this election is the fact that most people here in Canada are excited that Barrack Obama won the election. "Change" seems to be something that the Canadian people want too, especially the young 'uns. They seem to forget that we just had our election (that boasted the lowest voter turn out in the country's history) and everybody voted for our Conservative party to continue governing.
I voted for the Green Party.
Anyways, Socialism isn't so bad. We do have to pay for medical, it's part of our taxes. And people still have family doctors that we don't have to wait in line forever to see. Hospitals can be a bit of a wait but nothing more that a couple of hours. It could be worse. We could have to wait 19 hours, not see a doctor, and then receive a bill for $162. [link]
Ron Paul '08
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I never routed for Obama just because he was young, I rooted to him because-

1.) I don't want 4 mor years of the last 8.

2.) That comment you said, the government can't solve verything- he's right. Can the government solve all our problems? No. But there are some problems that are too hard for most peopel to take on, and need help- he thingks thats when the government should step in.

3.) I'm Democratic.

4.) I beleive his political views.

Also, no offense, but that line of yours "I am just really disgusted by everyone who voted for Obama."

... Thats kind of low, seriously :/. I mean comon- some people watched EVERYTHING he did, every speech, and every time he spoke during this ellection and truly belives in him- that you said can be seen as really hurtufl by them, as well as everyone who voted for him. I"m in my freshmen year and is 14 years old, and we held a mock election at our school and I voted Obama in it- disgusted at me?

Do to the fact i'm just in my first year of High School, I couldn't keep up with ALL the politcal thigns going on, but enough for me to understand that I liked his political views.

Age doesn't mean anythign in the run for presidency- I just care about how it would effect America. While I've always supported the Democratic nominee, if I really don't like him/her (as we can now say thanks to Hillary CLinton), I would en dup going for the Republican nominee.

Don't be sterotypical towards all Obama supporters, thank you very much.

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... and after that, I'm going to mock you and beat you to death with what's left of your dignity.

But hey, have a nice day :D
:iconthegraymalkin:
I'm really sorry about your situation and I'm sorry if I made you upset. This is why I shouldn't be near a computer when I'm angry, because I could have worded things a lot less harshly, but I still stand by what I said for the most part. The thing about what I said though, that its people's own fault if they're poor, is that if no fault can be assigned in their situation, then what I said doesn't apply. Obviously your families situation wasn't anyones fault. Thats why welfare programs do exist, and I have no problem supporting that. The thing is though, A LOT of people take advantage of it. A lot of people are on welfare that aren't even trying. I don't think that just giving people more is going to help. I really think that an effort needs to be made to find out who really needs the help and who is absolutely trying the hardest they can, not just throwing more money away to the people who don't need it.

It just makes me really angry, because I'm working really hard to make my life better, and I have to pay for a system that doesn't differentiate between people who really need help and people who could work their way out of their situation. I don't have a lot of money either, I work part time so I can bust my ass in school because that's the only way i'll be able to pay for school. If I don't get good grades and don't get scholarships and aid based on my grades, I'm not going to be able to pay for school. I'm really fortunate and thankful that I'm getting any help at all, but even so, every lit bit I could keep would be nice.

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Senator Stampingston: Dethklok has summoned a troll.
General Kroiser: That’s impossible, there’s no such thing as trolls.
Stampingston: Then how do you explain the dead unicorns?
:iconmegomobile:
Thankfully the situation of dire hardship here has passed. My dad was actually helped by a then-new treatment, which made him able to move again and thus work... mind you, the treatment caused heart disease, which was not mentioned as a potential side effect at the time, which is a story for another day. *lol*

I'm totally cool that you're standing by what you believe in, and I do for the most part agree with you. A lot of people DO take advantage of welfare programs and all the various forms of financial aid, but to say "I don't care what anyone tells me, if someone is poor, it's their own fault" is definitely a badly worded statement. I'm glad you recognize that it was a bit on the harsh side; besides, even people who ARE on welfare and living off government aid and do deserve it are often, in fact, still poor.

Actually, come to think of it, my girlfriend is a good example of a bad living situation. She graduated university on the deans list, with honours, and having gotten a bunch of scholarships. She has a BA in fine arts, I think. But living on the west coast where she does, she's been having a hard time finding a place to live that's within her means because it's so expensive! She does bust her butt to do it, though. She works an okay job (she's an insurance claims adjuster), but with the cost of living going up and up and up... it's craziness. It's not quite as bad here yet, thankfully, but it's still darn expensive to do anything anymore. Plus, when you go into a field like art, it is so hard to actually GET a job in which to use a degree.

Personally, I think that no matter who is in office, the world is going to hell in a hand basket. I agree with the person below me who is Canadian; he pointed out that most Canadians were so gung-ho on the American election, yet didn't vote or didn't make a big deal out of our own Federal election weeks before. It's pathetic; now we're stuck with the same Conservative minority government who will keep making the same dumb mistakes and broken promises. Only 59% of eligible voters VOTED this year. I think that is absolutely disgraceful. At least in your country, people were riled up enough to vote. Here, not even 60% of people who could gave the slightest shit about it. Really really pathetic.

Sigh, politics. You can't win with 'em, but can't live without 'em. Kind of one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" things.

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Murder of Crows.
:iconkajua:
I hardly think anyone should take notice of a thing you say as your interests list the number 1 thing you like doing is "Killing people"

NO wonder you voted for mccain you deadbeat.
:iconthegraymalkin:
LOL

Because once again my sense of humor completely negates my ability to have reasonable political opinions. If you read anything I said, or my other comments, or god forbid, actually thought about what I said, it would make sense.

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Senator Stampingston: Dethklok has summoned a troll.
General Kroiser: That’s impossible, there’s no such thing as trolls.
Stampingston: Then how do you explain the dead unicorns?
:icontabletsniper:
I simply didn't like McCaine's drug policies. Especially when his wife is a drug addict on hard drugs that most people don't even touch cuz its so expensive. that was my main reason.

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